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The lessening focus on mechanics in LoL

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Suttree ?? Junior Member
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10-01-2013

Hey.
My name is Suttree and I believe that I have a lot better mechanics than most people on my elo. The reason I'm not higher elo is because I suck at making decisions, watching the minimap, teamplay and everything else. I like to run dominions to practice mechanics because quite frankly it's what I find entertaining with the game.

I understand that LoL can't be all about mechanix, and that it has to be a healthy mix of a lot of things. However, I find that this balance is very off, and growing more imbalanced all the time.

Let's say you're playing Ashe, who I like to play (In my opinion ranged autoattackers by default require by far the best mechanix to be effective). If the enemy Lee Sin comes to gank you, there's a battle of mechanix going on. I dodge his Q - he might ward-W and/or flash to get onto me. If he gets his E on me, I'll probably be dead. If he outplays me, he will get the kill. If he uses flash or W to get close to me but I flash or dodge his E, I can then kite him and maybe get the kill (situational of course, but yeah). Remember that the orbwalking-kiting thing, while easier on Ashe than on most, is pretty easy to **** up. The situation is exactly the same on Vayne or Caitlyn, although these have more mobility.


This is the most fun aspect on LoL in my opinion. But with all the clickon gapclosers and unavoidable casters on you, kiting is just getting dumbly impossible. Kiting while autoattacking and dodging skillshots is pretty hard. My favorite hero is Vayne because she is so good at it, however, it does require ****loads of mechanics to pull of.

Now it's impossible. It's not that Riot don't release champions with difficult mechanics at all (Zed, Syndra) - it's just that they seem to prefer the extremely easy champions that require no mechanical skills in themselves (Kha'Zix, Rengar, Diana).

Of course a lot of champions will be like this, but the problem is that there is way to little reward for mechanix. KhaZix requires no mechanix at all (except hitting an Ashe-Volley with the damage of a Darius-ult), but he is one of the most powerful champs I've ever seen. You can't dodge him, he can jump you like three times and he can stealth twice (which, by the way, WILL **** up your orbwalk and make it even easier for him. It's unavoidable as you can't know when he'll use it).


So, it's impossible for me to outplay a KhaZix or a Diana, because they don't need to hit skillshots to kill me, and they're able to pick me up from twice, maybe three times my range. So I can either stay so far away from them that I can't do anything, or I can die.

Teamfights are of course another matter. Here, if positioned correctly, I MIGHT not die this way. I say might because if my teammates can't provide a solid tankline and are not focused enough on defending me, I can against chose between doing nothing and dying. And most games, they won't. Not because they suck or anything, but because they are also playing jumpy, assasinating gapclosers. Look at this pretty average matchup:

Top: Jax - Irelia
Jungle: Rengar - Hecarim
Mid: Diana - Katarina
AD: Vayne - Ashe
Support: Taric - Leona

This is not uncommon: On both sides, all the top three players (as in map positioning) have the ability to jump you. You have to play so carefully that you can't actually hit anything. You can't 1v1 them because they're unkitable and can burst you down in the time you get of two autoattacks. If Ashes Leona initiates (very common) and Vaynes Taric uses his stun to shut down Kata ult (also very common), there's nothing left. Move close enough to attack, and you're very likely to be dead.

At the same time that you're nerfing all possible ad carry items, you're also buffing ad casters. So, now we are even weaker and there are even more people that can kill us if we try to, I don't know, do damage.

Keep in mind, 5v5 teamfights aren't the real issue I'm trying to adress, nor simply ad carries. My point is this:


Riot, please. If you're going to make something that has no mechanical challenge, then make it weaker than the ones that actually do have one. This way, mechanics will be more properly rewarded. If you hit two clutch skillshots, that should net you more damage than if you click on someone. And please, please, please, for the love of God, pleeeeeease stop making every champion have a gapclosers. Right now, if a champion doesn't have gapclosers it's just UP. You can't make new champs without them now cause if u make a champ without a gapcloser, it's going to be weaker than the ones you've made already (not including mages, supports and ads).

Look at the last 10 champs - Vi (2gapclosers), Nami (sup), Zed (2 gapclosers), Elise (1 gapcloser), Kha'Zix (not quite sure but atleast 34, oh, and stealth) Syndra (mage), Rengar (stealth, gapclosers), Diana (2 gapclosers), Zyra (mage), Jayce (gapcloser and speedbuff). Very few of these require any skill to hit or are potentially dodgeable.

I don't know what the solution would be. I'm just pointing out a problem that I've been discussing with my friends a lot and most of them agree.

 
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UberN00by ?? Member
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10-01-2013

Try Draven. Instead of running you just kick their asses by throwing dem spinning axes. If you're really good at mechanixxxxxxxxxxxxx(mechanics) you'll catch them all no? ^^

Edit: Sorry my bad. Not Draven: Draaaaaaaven

 
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The Fläme Man ?? Senior Member
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10-01-2013

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Originally Posted by UberN00by View Post
Try Draven. Instead of running you just kick their asses by throwing dem spinning axes. If you're really good at mechanixxxxxxxxxxxxx(mechanics) you'll catch them all no? ^^

Edit: Sorry my bad. Not Draven: Draaaaaaaven
Are you 10 year old or something?

 
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tocanholas ?? Junior Member
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10-01-2013

10 years or not ,he helped much more than you

 
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Dhaze ?? Senior Member
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10-01-2013

For the love of god please stop using "mechanix."
You're saving 1 whole keystroke, just spell it correctly.

 
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LAB Dc ?? Junior Member
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10-01-2013

Ultra long range dashes are a pain. If I recall this is why Graves, Corki, and Ezreal became so popular. They have gap creators to counter the gap closers. Now that people have discovered Khazix ...

 
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ztrexx ?? Senior Member
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10-01-2013

ehm skillshots is generaly shorter range than its counterpart clickshot or whatever you wanna call them.

 
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Zrada ?? Senior Member
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10-01-2013

Mechanical skill is something that will help you inmensly in lane but you wont win a game with it, if you cant position yourself well in teamfights as AD carry, and this is the reason why there is holy trinity of ADs - they have really good repositioning skill so they can escape when someone jumps on them.

 
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Zaldrohir ?? Senior Member
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10-01-2013

I guess you'll enjoy thresh. He's quite interesting, but also requires decision making.

 
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Shukenja ?? Junior Member
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10-01-2013

I generally agree that it's barely worth playing Difficult champions (I actually main Zed, Syndra and Veigar so I'm not a total hypocrite) because the Retarded Easymode champions like Ryze and Kha'Zix are just as strong (If not stronger if you go by those examples) without the skillcap reflecting it.

But it's difficult to argue this, because someone else might say "New players need champions that can compete" and while that's true, the way the system works is that you're not rewarded but actually punished for playing difficult champions like Syndra because there's a chance you could miss some of your combo whereas if you're Annie you'll just hit like a truck without aiming anything difficult. No, her W and R don't count as skillshots because they're instant.